#maybe i'm just honestly *generally kinda boring and average-or-slightly-less*
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#idk maybe actually the end result of my transition is just going to be#''i still strongly & inherently believe i'm physically bland and lame ( but as a girl this time )''#LIKE#idunno im not getting the big boost in confidence and the sudden change in style that seems to lead many transfems to;#more than present as fem; present as 'cool & hot & stylish & cute or whichever combination of all these or more in the same vein'#i don't think it's going to happen#i don't know if it's MEANT to happen#maybe i'm just honestly *generally kinda boring and average-or-slightly-less*#maybe that's fine#don't fucking know#definitely have other stuff to figure out anyway that's for sure#but i don't know where to start that's for sure#maybe if i find the domino that's holding back much of my being and push it ( if that's a thing at all anyway )#maybe the ensuing consequences will include another domino that might trigger an era of presenting differently and trying things#and perhaps being more than a bag of flesh wrapped in cloth or other textiles#( in a qualitative & figurative sense bc obviously we're never MUCH more than that tbh )#maybe there's no such domino in the fallout#maybe i don't even have dominos left to fall and they're all already on the ground and i just didn't have many to begin with really#that'd kinda suck honestly#but maybe i can make a cool looking stack with em if i try to gather the pieces at some point#that might be enough#hope you'll come visit my stack if i do#shevr#PS EDIT srry there's no real point to this honestly + i'm fine#felt like dropping a bunch of tags rant and then it was done that's it ey whatever#i gotta go peel légumes to make curry while watching danny gonzalez vids now
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Hi I have thoughts that are genuinely crazy, and I think ur the only one who might understand. I've read ur posts on amatonormativity before and they're good, and I was hoping u would have an nuanced answer to this maybe? Anyways my question/ thoughts are abt Warren and how heterosexual his character nd interactions are written. If u dislike Warren and it kinda seems like you do (??), then u don't have to answer this but I'm kinda still asking bc I can't think of any other lis blogger to ask. Anyways I've always disliked how almost every single of his relationships with female characters in the game are written as romantic. He has a crush on Max, Brooke has a crush on him. In Ep. 2 he's hugging/comforting Alyssa when Kate is on the roof and a lot of people in the fandom who hate him interpreted it as cheating/manipulation/romantic . In the alternate uni in Ep. 3 he's in a relationship with Stella and he's holding hands with her. Taylor in the Vortex Club says he's a cutie or something. And all I'm thinking is like: the person who wrote Warren must of forgot that boys and girls can be friends bc why is everything Romantic all the time?? I think the writers genuinely forgot male-female friendships exist. Why didn't they explore Max and Warren genuinely having a sibling-like relationship or somthing? Why can't Warren platonically be friends with Stella? Why can't he idk platonically hold hands with Stella? Like that's a thing. Why can't he just be friends with Brooke? Why can't he platonically hug Alyssa? That is also a thing.. Like I am just so mad, like Why is the writing like this? I know the fandom doesn't like Warren bc he's is a Ugly N*rc Cishet in their eyes, but the whole 'Warren is bad bc He's Male and Str8 and Weird so he must Die' thing isn't even an argument to me. If anything isn't it the fault of the writers that everyone and esp pric3fielders hates Warren for being an 'Evil Straightie'?? Like I think abt this so much it's killing me, what so u think?? I hope this isn't a big ask but did u like ever notice writing flaws abt like relationships in the game?? Do u ever think interactions could have been better in it?? Wanna know ur thoughts bc i actually trust u on a topic like this.
i definitely dont hate warren!! but i also honestly donât think about him a lot. probably because of exactly what you saidâ how dontnod wrote him in the most amatonormative, boring way possible.
i feel like a lot of people who hype him up a lot donât really remember the act the dontnod writers made him play. DEFINITELY NOT saying nobodys allowed to enjoy his character or wish he was better, but just that a lot of his fans act like he was this cute, do-no-wrong, sweetie pie (aka. infantilizing him. another topic another time)â when in reality the dontnod writers just made him this boring, average, slightly ignorant 17(?) year old.
and honestly the more i think about it, the more that sucks a lot!! Warren couldâve had HUGE potential, but itâs all dropped because they were more focused on Max and Chloeâs story.
which, on one hand, kinda fair and understandable considering this is the Max and Chloe game. but on the other hand, really disappointing.
especially because on most playthroughs, people wonât and donât get at all attached to him because of how heâs just a. Generic Somewhat-Compatible Love Interest so the game has plausible deniability from being straight up gay. Warrenâs whole personality is geek who is romantically interested in Max and gets violent once or twice for the plot.
which in the end just means that itâs one less person that makes the ending choice harder. just one less character the majority of players are worried about letting die.
that saying, i donât think that if Warren was written better then more people would choose the Bay ending, but just that the hesitance would be more intense. which honestly is just as important as the actual choice itself so.
it also just means less interesting character dynamics/development. especially between Max and Warren. like you said, if they had more of a brother-sister dynamic than their âBoy obsessed with girl whoâs obsessed with this other girl.â dynamic, then it wouldâve meant SO MUCH MORE that Max was starting to drop Warren in favor for her overwhelming paranoid obsession with Chloe being alive.
It also wouldâve meant SO MUCH MORE to Max that she sacrificed someone she considered a brother, than just some guy who wanted to date her. The guilt couldâve been even more than what it already is. The missed angst potential is crazy.
OH MY CODâ AND IT WOULDâVE HIT SO MUCH HARDER. TO HAVE WARREN ALSO HUNTING MAX DOWN IN THE NIGHTMARE SEQUENCE. Max going through SO MUCH trauma because of the men in her life, she starts to feel like she canât even trust a guy she considered close enough to be her brother. like i said: the missed angst potential.
PLUS the idea of Warren being âThe Big Brotherâ of the campus is a WAY more compelling and interesting character idea than just an average 17(?) year old boy who really wants a girlfriend.
(something something. people hate fictional annoying characters more than fictional murderers. something something)
and going back on what i said with âSomewhat-Compatibleâ, Max and Warrenâs non-existent romantic chemistry is almost entirely based on telling not showing (ex: the eclipse scene, Max being able to write on his dorm roomâs whiteboard, Max SAYING she thinks Warren is kinda cute, etc). not to mention that Warrenâs romantic path is 100% completely optional and avoidable, while Max and Chloeâs is basically out of the playerâs choice unless they actively hate Chloe or smth.
and im saying that as an active pricefielder. i literally canât hate Max and Warrenâs ship because theres nothing to hate. theres nothing between them besides bland, âthey share some of the same interestsâ, amatonormativity.
which brings me to how absolutely insane a lot of pricefielders are about Warren. itâs kind of like when people hate a girl character because she gets in the way of their MLM ship. except here itâs a poorly written boy and a WLW ship.
iâm also pretty sure Warren gets the same treatment as any other stand in girl love interestâ as in im 90% sure the only other boy we ever see him interact with is Nathan. so.
and i definitely do consider myself a pricefielderâ i love Max and Chloeâs ship with all of my heart, but some of us are just WAY too much into shipping culture and think every minuscule thing that goes against their OTP needs to be publicly executed. (<- voice of guy who got called homophobic for saying Max and Chloe arenât canonically girlfriends.)
which, unfortunately, includes Warren, a character who is such an amatonormative nothing-burger that his personality is even easier than Chloeâs to twist into a âevil motherfucker who should die.â
itâs kinda like the post i made today about people hating the poorly written character instead of the author who made them that way. Warren has a lot of potential as a character, and the writers just completely dumped him away in favor for making him Generic Male Love Interest So This Game Isnât Just The Gay Game.
honestly before this ask, i dont think i ever truly realized the tragedy that is Warrenâs missed character potential. so 100% definitely thank you for sending this! i yapped a lot more than i expected
#anywaysâ justice for warren! not bc heâs secretly an actually great character but because the writers fucked him over!#ty for sending this ask bc it actually made me realize a shit ton about warrenâs potentialâŒïžâŒïžđŒđ«¶đ«”#lis#life is strange#warren graham#lis analysis#life is strange analysis#sorry if this was a bit rambley đ#woof
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